Creating Positive Cultures: Stories from the archive
Continuing our culture theme, I revisit past podcast conversations that explore how to foster positive research environments and cultures. We hear from people such as Elizabeth Adams, Tanita Casci, Jolanta Burke, Janet Reed, Alex Taylor, Kia Hook, and Lindsay Oades, who share their experiences and insights on creating a sense of belonging and collegiality within academic settings. Their stories emphasize recognizing individual strengths, promoting transparency, celebrating achievements, and the importance of supportive management practices for bringing out the best in people. Hopefully you will take away practical ideas and inspiration, and recognise the importance of both micro-actions and collective efforts in creating supportive, transparent, and inclusive cultures.
00:00 Intro
00:29 Episode introduction - fostering good cultures
03:48 Glasgow Uni's Research Culture Awards
07:51 Jolanta Burke on positive organisations
09:53 Janet Read on flexibility and supporting people with young families
11:47 Janet Read on know your team
12:32 Janet Read on bringing out the best in people
16:14 Alex Taylor on the power of the collective
22:25 Kia Höök on Fika
25:50 Lindsay Oades on autonomy, rationales and leeting people they are valued
29:58 Wrapping up
33:18 Outro
34:05 Repeating what Lindsay said
Related Links
Past episodes used in this curated episode:
Tanita Casci and Elizabeth Adams on supporting, rewarding and celebrating a positive collegial research culture (from May 2021)
Jolanta Burke on burnout, harmonious passion, positive workplaces & helping others (from Nov 2017)
Janet Read on charm bracelets, finish tape & the work to be a complete academic (from May 2018)
Alex Taylor on research at the boundaries, moving from industry to academia, the labour of academia & the power of the collective (from July 2019)
Kia Höök on challenges of success & value of slowing down and re-connecting (from Feb 2017)
Lindsay Oades on academic wellbeing, connecting to strengths, meaning and purpose, and not taking the system too seriously (from Sept 2018)
And others you can search for on Changing Academic Life who also talk about culture (among many others): Sarah Davies (part 2), Mark Reed, Karen Stroobants, Elizabeth Churchill.
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Transcript
Welcome to Changing Academic Life.
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:I'm Geraldine Fitzpatrick and this is
a podcast series where academics and
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:others share their stories, provide
ideas and provoke discussions about what
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:we can do individually and collectively
to change academic life for the better.
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:What are the everyday sorts of activities
and interactions that we can have in our
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:workplaces and in our research groups.
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:That contribute to creating great
research environments in which people
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:can really do great work together.
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:In this episode, we'll continue
on this theme of research
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:environments and research culture.
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:And we'll do this by revisiting some
snippets of past podcast conversations
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:from way back in the archive where people
have shared what they've been doing to
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:foster a sense of belonging and to create
collegial, supportive research cultures.
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:Hearing these diverse voices
and different approaches might
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:provide some food for thought.
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:And of course you can always go back
and listen to the full conversations
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:with the people that I've included here.
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:And I'll include links to their episodes
on the webpage for this episode.
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:And at the end I will also
point to yet more conversations
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:that I haven't included.
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:That also talk about culture
if you were looking for more.
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:Across the snippets.
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:I think you'll recognize a lot of
the themes that Nina from the Danish
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:young academy identified across
their research environment proposals.
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:And so we'll hear things like
the importance of recognizing
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:everyone as an individual.
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:And that can just be their own individual
preferences and styles of working.
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:It can be recognizing the particular
strengths that they bring, recognizing
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:their particular life circumstances
and how they can be supported in that.
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:We'll also hear about being very
explicit about rewarding and celebrating
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:both effort and achievements.
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:We'll hear about creating situations.
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:In which people can gather and meet and
talk and just connect in different ways.
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:Well, so I hear about the importance
of transparency and clarity
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:around roles and expectations.
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:And also being realistic about
what you can offer to people.
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:And all of these sorts of things
go towards fostering a sense
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:of collegiality and community.
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:And creating environments where
people really do feel seen, heard.
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:Valued and respected.
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:All really key aspects for
creating a sense of belonging.
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:And that sense of belonging is also a key
underpinning for what we talked about last
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:episode, in terms of psychological safety.
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:So the first extract I'd like to
replay is from a:
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:with Elizabeth Adams and Tanita
Casci from Glasgow university.
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:At Glasgow university, they had also
implemented an awards program to
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:celebrate good research cultures.
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:And so they'll talk about
that program a little bit.
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:And also I've collated some where they
talked about including collegiality
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:as a criteria for promotion.
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:Elizabeth: So we introduced
the Research Culture Awards.
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:maybe two years ago.
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:We're on our third iteration now.
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:And the purpose of the awards was
really to showcase and highlight good
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:practice or things that people were
doing a little bit differently to try
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:to bring about a positive research
culture to run mentoring programs or
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:early career researcher networks, or
I think, supporting people to think
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:about open research or just new ways
of doing research that's maybe a little
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:bit progressive and something that other
people can learn from and to celebrate.
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:I think the important thing for me is
that the awards aren't just sitting there
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:on their own, because I think if they
were just out there on their own it would
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:feel quite tokenistic, like that we once
a year we celebrate the four things that
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:people have done of being nice to each
other, which, and it's not about that at
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:all That's one strand of a bigger plan.
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:So the fact that we've introduced
collegiality into our professorial
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:promotions criteria is really, really
important in sending the message
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:that this is important in all ways.
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:And the awards is just one way
of highlighting good practice,
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:but also it's expected.
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:that you will be collegiate in your
teaching and in your research and your
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:knowledge exchange and all the different
things that you do and that you'll support
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:others um and that by doing so um research
is going to be better for everyone.
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:Tanita: We try as much as possible
to convey the idea that culture,
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:as Elizabeth has said, is the
vehicle to better research.
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:It's not being nice to each other.
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:We, you know, I hope we are.
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:It's actually integral.
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:to the process of developing good quality
research that stands the test of time,
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:that actually, you know, pushes the
boundaries of knowledge, improves society,
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:and creates a welcoming environment in
which talented staff will be attracted
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:to, uh, and can develop within.
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about the academic output being
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:publications, societal impact.
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we develop, the skills that we
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:put out into the world, the next
generation of academics that we
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:develop, that needs to be a crucial
pillar of the academic endeavor.
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relevant, important opportunity,
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:how an academic has supported
the careers of those around them.
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:And if someone hasn't taken the
opportunity to give that back and to
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:create that sense of community and
camaraderie and, you know, that peer
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:group that supports each other and
what good quality research is, Then
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:they're missing an important part of
essentially what I think should be there,
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:Geri: And isn't that a
lovely challenge to us all.
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particular ways that we can give
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:back to contribute to creating that
sense of community and comraderie.
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missing a really fundamental aspect of the
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:academic endeavor, because as Tanita says
at the end, It's the people we develop.
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:That's a crucial pillar of that endeavor
for the benefit of good science.
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:Tanita also made the comment about,
it's not just about being nice to
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:one another for its own sake that it
actually is what enables good science.
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in a conversation with Jolanta Burke.
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:Who was a positive psychologist and she
was working at university of east London
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:when we recorded this interview in 2017.
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:And in this snippet, she's
reflecting on this whole notion
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:of positive organizations.
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:And she also talks
about the importance of.
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:I guess what being nice enables in terms
of bringing out the best in ourselves
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:and bringing out the best in one
another and working to our strengths.
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the end, in one of the final snippets.
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:Jolanta: So I think positive
organizations to me are organizations
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:that understand the importance of.
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:Working on people's strengths, on
creating an environment that has a nice
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:balance of, you know, creating positive
emotions, but also negative emotions.
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:They are really important in many
situations, but understanding this rather
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:than being, limited in your views and
maybe focus on one theory or another.
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:I think that's what's important and
we definitely need to come out, go out
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positive psychology sometimes is
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:stopping us from doing it because the
managers, leaders would straight away,
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:say, you know what we don't need.
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:We know that positivity is nice
and happiness and well being,
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:And it is not about happiness.
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:Positive organization is
about high performance.
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:It's about getting the best
out of people and for people to
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:Geri: So getting the best out of people
and for people to get the best out of each
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:other, that we can do that for each other.
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:I want to share with you here.
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:Which provides some practical
examples for creating those
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:And this is from a conversation
that I recorded with Janet Reed.
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:Who's a professor in child
computer interaction at the
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:We've recorded this back in
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:airport if I remember correctly.
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:So in this first part, Janet shares
how important it is to understand the
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:situation that people in, for example,
people with young families and how to
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:really support them in having a good
home life, as well as a good work life.
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:Janet: and we have these
conversations in our group.
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:Which is nice, that's why groups are good.
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:Most of my group have got young
families, so, I appreciate they want
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:to go home and do sports day, they
want to pick the kids up three days
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:a week, or whatever, and, Whatever
situation they find themselves in.
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:Um, I've now got young
grandchildren, sometimes I'm
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:called upon to look after them.
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:Sometimes I just want to go
and have coffee with one of my
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:daughters, and I think that's
nice, you can do those things.
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:So, when my two younger ones
were little, The older ones were
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:old enough to notice things.
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:And they once said to me, Mum,
when you're working at home, the
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:children, the children, I mean this
was the nine year old, you know,
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:talking about the four year old.
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:The children don't know if
you're being a mum or not.
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:Janet: That was very perceptive.
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said to my young team, who are young
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I'll say to them, guys, if you're
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at home when you're being a parent.
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:You know, it's not fair on your young
children to do this, because my
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:children told me this and, they'll
say I'm working at home because they
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while they're looking after the kids.
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:Dream on, you're looking after the
kids, you're not working at home.
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conversation I think if you've got
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understand that if you are working
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:at home for seven hours and you've got
young children at home for seven hours,
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of work, and there's only a certain type
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:Geri: I love the respect and understanding
that this shows in recognizing the
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about what your expectations are and
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:Janet talks later on about also
getting to know people and the
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:Janet: Other people can
never work to deadline.
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worked in, you know, they, they wanna
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think, what's wrong with you?
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the people around you, and, and one of
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in our team, you have to understand
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:each other's team practices, and you
have to understand how your colleagues,
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:Geri: how you're going to negotiate those
different preferences together, and how
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:Janet: they want to work
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:Geri: Janet also had some lovely things
to say about how to be a manager who
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by reflecting on watching her
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:Janet: So one of my daughters is
a manager in a retail company.
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:She manages the team and
she is such a good manager.
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management until I watched her.
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watched her as a human doing management.
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she gets the best out of those people.
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had the luxury of that kind of management?
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really robust and in university
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:Yes.
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would do is try and not manage as
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it's, it's the encouragement, the
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:You encourage, you understand the
needs, you motivate, you say, well done.
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:Yes, you say well done.
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:Wouldn't it be nice to get
a well done sometimes, Sam?
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:Oh, well done, Janet.
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emailed my boss and I said, Hey, I've
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funded bid submitted on a roll.
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say, great, that was nice, you know.
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encouragement from time to time, you know.
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:What we have, we have this finish tape,
you know, for Children's Sports Days.
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run across the finish line.
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they've really been struggling with,
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tape and we tape it across our doors.
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of rosettes and things.
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Geri: And do universities don't often do this, do they?
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:But what, what are universities here?
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really are ultimately us.
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:And I think what Janet has
pointed to so powerfully.
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:Is how important just
these little things are.
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:You encourage, you understand the
needs you motivate, you say, well done.
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:Wouldn't it be nice to
get a well done sometimes.
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:And so it's just these really little micro
moments of connection and encouragement.
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difference to people.
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:And I love the example of using a
finish tape that they hang up when
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:they've overcome something that
they've been struggling with, or
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:little moments of celebrations.
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:And.
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:And gestures and rituals
like their certificates.
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:Small actions that can have a big impact.
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culture of collegiality and support.
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next conversation snippet.
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human computer interaction design
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in his office in:
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the power of the collective.
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:And he talks about that in
a variety of different ways
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:And here, I just pick up on some
parts in which he talks about bringing
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:people together, just through things
like creating meeting groups or the
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:reading groups or the different types
of meetings that they might have.
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:Again just creating those opportunities
for people to gather and talk and share.
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:Alex: and of course, you know, important,
particularly important to me were the
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:early career researchers, and that, as you
say, they feel totally vulnerable because
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:they don't have the position to say no.
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:In fact, their careers depend on
saying yes, and I just want to
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:create the opportunities for them
to come here or to work in place.
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:Impoverished advice is to say,
find the right people that will
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you to those sorts of pressures.
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that's a non trivial thing.
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:recommendation.
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:Geri: But we can all be part
of creating those spaces.
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:Just thinking back, um, from the
beginning of this sort of university
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about learning, not that you don't
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sort of key other lessons that you've.
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Alex: I've said this a few times, but I, I don't think there's any easy answers.
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people with you, um, and creating an
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best that they can be, not the worst.
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that sounds incredibly grand, but
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within the centre, enlivened these
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meetings sake, but for spaces in
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:Alex: So I think it is about getting
the right people to set the groundwork
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just hired a new, lecturers, Sarah
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some great sort of feminist inspired
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in place, uh, a turn to the writing
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you know, I'm designing that reading group
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that's relevant to our students, our
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but also that starts to introduce, um,
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off saying earlier on.
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not somehow in parallel to what we
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our intellectual capacities.
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those things live together.
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our other senior lecturers,
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course, all take time.
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:Geri: I was just going to ask,
how do you get people together?
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where people are able to make these.
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group, I don't enforce it.
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have different people.
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about giving a sense of the environment
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:So would these groups happen
each of them every week or
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talk about through what, what we're doing.
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:I think we're thinking also of
having writing retreats where, you
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week, we have a once a week seminar.
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on their own could, could be trivial.
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and talk in a seminar series, who you
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um, all those things start to add up.
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we're in business about.
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these would be really useful in creating
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from being supported, helping
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:Alex: To make that possible for people
and to, for, especially for those who
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are places like that.
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:Geri: And they're all very collective.
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something to contribute.
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:Alex: really am, you know, I'm
thrilled to be part of a, a center
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:Geri: So some lovely examples
there of creating the spaces in
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enabling people to have a voice.
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example from Kia Hook.
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:Kia is a professor in interaction
design at KTH in Stockholm, Sweden.
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practice that they have in Sweden
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and their different sort of
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people to come together for Fika.
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very much like you come to the seminars
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Wednesdays where everybody had to come.
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:Geri: and
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:Kia: drink coffee and
sit around and socialize.
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would walk through the center.
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and say, okay, now it's three
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couldn't make them leave, because they
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know, talking about their research, uh,
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we would hold full day meetings at
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meeting at Ericsson or, or Nokia or
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hard on, uh, making this one center
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:Geri: So again, another example of very
deliberately creating the spaces and
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:And, and it also reflects quite
a different approach to what we
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encouraging and making people attend.
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:And so I come to the final snippet
that I want to replay here.
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:And that's from a conversation
with Lindsay Oades.
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:Lindsey is a professor at the university
of Melbourne and director of the
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had in:
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:the positive psychology conference.
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:What Lindsay starts off
reflecting on is the importance
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of helping create clarity through
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between letting people be totally
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of roles and expectations and
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people not being dumb and that
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people what we value about them.
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their own strengths are and to help
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work with the term job crafting.
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interesting part of the conversation.
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problem with Lindsay's microphone.
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of us saw it early enough.
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what he says in his own words.
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stay to the end of the podcast.
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he said there so that you don't
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:Lindsay: The academics also,
they love autonomy and, but
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example, will tell us, give people
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for what, so autonomy doesn't mean
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example, we got, we got some big research
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an external thing, we got to hit it,
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challenge, we got to hit this, we got
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you That's not really that negotiable.
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in this zone with this level of staff
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it and then let the smart people do it
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:don't come in and tell them and that
they've got to have micromanaged bits
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they'll say but it at it But there's a
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and where, how they'll usually find a
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:Geri: So this, this points to you as a
leader or a director of center needing
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prepared to take the time and having your
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he talks about a strategy document.
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see where they fit in.
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quality starts to deteriorate a little
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pushing the strategy document so
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fit in where we're trying to go.
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our research back on ourselves.
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to workplaces, if you're doing well being
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And then you turn the lens back into
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not doing well or you're not doing
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be telling other people to do?
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but the evidence bears it out.
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work often feel undervalued.
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:Lindsay: So simple things about what
do you actually value about your staff?
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what medium have you told them?
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stuff we've been talking about
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conversations with staff Oh.
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description and how it can be crafted
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more than they currently are.
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organizational constraints that, you
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we've got to get this class taught or
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we've got to get that contract done.
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we might not be able to.
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having a conversation so there's a plan
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that those conversations are important
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:because again with academics if there's a
rationale and there's been a conversation
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yes if there's a good intent yes yeah
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:um so there's a couple of things here
that's just that that that Enabling
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them to use this strengths and mold
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valuing because that talks about that
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getting any local validation and, but that
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anyone that we work with, whether you're
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or even just a colleague, we could do
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things that he talked about.
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the people that you're working with?
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conversations that are about their
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people shape their work, to better
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going to do a much better job.
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out the best in people that
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:connects to what Janet said and,
and what others have talked about.
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:So I hope these snippets from different
people over the years might give some
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:food for thought about just different ways
that you might contribute to creating the
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:Recognizing that we all
have a part to play.
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have a really big impact.
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creating cultures that are
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do great work together.
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here from way back in the archive.
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to more conversations, Uh, that also pick
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great work environments in different ways.
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you might put on your listening list.
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of my conversation with her.
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cultures of care and things like setting
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the work, especially the sort of
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:invisible work that people do that
go to contributing to great cultures.
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:Mark Reed in the conversation with
him, he talked about building a
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:compassionate culture and then
talked about what that meant.
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:Karen Stroobants in my conversation
with her talked about culture.
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we need change of culture.
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:As a key part of how we shift
the emphasis on just having, for
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:And Elizabeth Churchill.
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doing at Google when she worked
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cultures and in particular, she
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:So there are some other pointers that
you may want to go back and listen to.
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leave this thinking about.
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that you can do right now, right today.
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the culture that you want.
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:You can find the summary notes,
a transcript, and related
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Changing Academic Life on iTunes,
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:And I'm really hoping that we can
widen the conversation about how
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:And you can contribute to this by rating
the podcast and also giving feedback.
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please consider sharing this podcast
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:with your colleagues together.
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:We can make change happen.
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:As promised, I'm going to read out what
I could transcribe from what Lindsay
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:So you may remember that he'd been
talking about just letting smart people
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:get on and do it and you don't have to
tell them they have to have micromanaged
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:parts that'll usually find a way.
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:So he continues saying, You have to do
this both individually and as a group.
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:And I've been trying to push this strategy
document so people can see where they fit.
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:And that takes time.
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:I raised some question then about
turning the lens back onto academia.
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:And he says, it sounds really trite,
but the evidence bears it out.
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:Fundamentally, people at work
often feel undervalued in general
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:or by their immediate boss.
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:So simple things about what do
you actually value about your
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:staff and have you told them?
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:And in what medium have you told them?
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:So that's number one.
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:And number two would be the stuff we
talked about before about strengths.
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:Have you actually had conversations
with staff about their role, and the
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:job description, and how it can be
crafted, so that they can use their
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:strengths more than they currently are?
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:And that might take time as well,
because there are organizational
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:constraints, that you have to deliver
this, or get this class taught, or
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:we've got to generate that income, or
we've got to get that contract done.
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:So, while at this moment we can't get
you exactly fully there, at least we
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:have that conversation, so there's a
plan of how it's going to migrate there.
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:And those conversations are really
important, because again with academics,
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:if there is a rationale and there has been
a conversation, they'll probably accept
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:it for a while if there's good intent.
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:So there's a couple of things there,
enabling them to feel valued, and
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:enabling them to use their strengths
and mould their work, job craft
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:their work from a strength space.
